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post Mar 19 2002, 04:53 PM
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In your face you bastard SUV owners!!!!!!!!


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post Mar 19 2002, 05:36 PM
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The collapse is believed to have dumped more ice into the Southern Ocean than all of the previous half century's icebergs combined


My god..


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post Mar 19 2002, 05:44 PM
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Interesting. I am sure the oil industry will respond in a responsible way and allay any fears we have. So therefore global warming is just a a normal cycle.

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post Mar 19 2002, 05:51 PM
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is this part of the same event as the one cian posted earlier? or is it in a different location?


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post Mar 19 2002, 05:55 PM
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I think they wer both about the Larson B

DElaware...Wales...



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post Mar 19 2002, 06:03 PM
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ok. if its two different icebergs collapseing that is really bad, but if its still just the one, well thats still bad, but not nearly as bad as if the whole place was coming apart.


"I stared, motionless, before the mirror. as always, I stayed untill I'm convinced that here is no glass, nothing, seperating me from the room I see on the other side. I imagine that everything is different, over there. better. There are people, in that world, who I would like. But, like always, my hand hits that glass. I know that if I'd only waited just one more second..."
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post Mar 19 2002, 06:31 PM
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I'm telling you, natural cycle.

The Earth'll be fine, we'll survive, and Miami will still suck balls.


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post Mar 19 2002, 07:51 PM
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Another link: www.nsidc.org/iceshelves/larsenb2002/index.html


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post Mar 19 2002, 10:28 PM
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The sames has been happening in the artic, and Europe's glaciers have been on the retreat for 2 centuries.
Its not exactly news.....


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post Mar 19 2002, 10:35 PM
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It's nowhere near the size of Wales!

It's the size of Cornwall.


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post Mar 19 2002, 11:01 PM
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In fact, the earth's temperature has remained more steady in the last several thousand years than it has previously. Based on their estimations, global temperatures we're quite eratic (over centuries of course) compared to today. Cian could be right, but we're sure not slowing down the process with our carbon-dioxide emissions. However, by 2010 experts predict our oil pumping will peak and start to decrease due to lack of fossil fuels. Not only that, but people are becoming more consious of this threat and some might make wiser decisions about their lifestyles or business decisions. (we can only hope)

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The Earth'll be fine, we'll survive, and Miami will still suck balls.


It may be just a normal cycle, but normal Earth cycles don't necessarily keep it's inhabitants live and well. Although I'm sure one of the most intelligent species on the planet (us) would survive.

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post Mar 20 2002, 04:41 AM
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Contradiction?

Someone has calculated that an 3°C increase of average "global" temperature will melt Northpole (arctis/antarctis never remember which is which) thus causing a change in (gulf?)stream which will lead to a new ice-age up here in Scandinavia.

It is increasing.
It's mainly because of a normal natural cycle.
It's accelerated though due to our enviromental misbehaviour.


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quote from PseudoKnight:

...Although I'm sure one of the most intelligent species on the planet (us) would survive.



I hardly think this is true. It is the most adaptable and resilient species that will survive. My vote goes to the cockroach, rat, alligator etc. In my life, we have evolved into a culture that has become obese to epidemic proportions, send an alarming increase in heart diease, skin (and other) cancer, STD's, suicide, homocide, unsustainable population growth, environmental destruction...{the list goes on}. Personally I don't think our species is in it for the long haul at all. But it really doesn't matter anyway. If we wipe ouselves out in 500 or 50,000 years, it will be so immaterial it will not matter in the grand scheme of time.


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post Mar 20 2002, 07:20 AM
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Yes. It wouldn't take much to make us go extinct.

The breakup of the Antarctic ice shelves is an environmental disaster. The bottom surface of the ice is a breeding ground for algae, which feed krill, which are to the Southern Ocean as grass is to the prairie.
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post Mar 20 2002, 08:18 PM
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It may be just a normal cycle, but normal Earth cycles don't necessarily keep it's inhabitants live and well.


Who said "well"?

We'll get by anything short of nuclear holocaust or mass-strike disease.


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post Mar 20 2002, 08:54 PM
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im wouldnt go that far cian...if the global climates changed that would screw up food supplies amongst other things, cities would be leveled with sea levels rising, other places would dry up and farms, towns, cities and the like would be overtaken by desert. coastal cities are allready fighting tooth and nail with erosion, if the sea level jumped a few feet they would be screwed.


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post Mar 20 2002, 09:24 PM
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We'd still survive.

We can adapt, and we can adapt the terrain for us.

There's no stopping the human rise aside from a Grade A, homogenized across-the-board strike.


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post Mar 20 2002, 09:44 PM
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quote from Thoreau:
It's nowhere near the size of Wales!

It's the size of Cornwall.




Our media said it's six times the size of the city of Hamburg. (Isn't Cornwall bigger than that?)


Question: Would you consider the above sentence to be correct English?
I was taught that correct indirect speech should be: "Our media said it was six times the size of the city of Hamburg". Does this still hold true?



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post Mar 20 2002, 10:08 PM
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"It is", "it was"- basically close enough for it not to matter, though, technically it would be "it was" due to the fact that they're stating it happened in the past tense.

When you speak, though, "it is" and "it was" can both sound like the same "its" slur, so it doesn't really matter


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post Mar 21 2002, 02:11 AM
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Cornwall is 1669 sq miles 3546 sq kms (inludes isles of Scilly)

Wales is 8018 sq miles 20,766 sq kms

My guess is that 6 tmes the city of Hamburg possible makes it Cornwall sized. But most likley these are approximations and each country uses a different region/city as a size comparrison.

Not that it matters, 6 tiems the size the size of Hamburg, Cornwall or 1/6 the sizr of Wales, its still pretty fucking big

BTW how big is Hamburg (area), its its own state right?


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post Mar 21 2002, 09:04 PM
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quote from cymruwarrior:

BTW how big is Hamburg (area), its its own state right?




Yes, Hamburg is both a city and a state. I covers an area of 753 sq kms. So six times that area equals the size of Cornwall.


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